Comments on: TV Dog Training – Helping or Hurting? http://blogs.dogster.com/ring-time-with-laurie-williams/tv-dog-training-helping-or-hurting/2009/08/05/ Just another Dogster Site News and Updates weblog Mon, 08 Mar 2010 22:46:36 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Tay Czar http://blogs.dogster.com/ring-time-with-laurie-williams/tv-dog-training-helping-or-hurting/2009/08/05/comment-page-1/#comment-259 Tay Czar Sat, 21 Nov 2009 15:33:49 +0000 http://blogs.dogster.com/ring-time-with-laurie-williams/?p=163#comment-259 I tend to agree with Naja. In the end the training is the responsibility of the owner and different breeds do respond better to different training methods, as long as it is not abusive, which I have never seen on either Victoria or Ceasar, and results in more dogs remaining in a happy healthy home I am for It I tend to agree with Naja. In the end the training is the responsibility of the owner and different breeds do respond better to different training methods, as long as it is not abusive, which I have never seen on either Victoria or Ceasar, and results in more dogs remaining in a happy healthy home I am for It

]]> By: Naja http://blogs.dogster.com/ring-time-with-laurie-williams/tv-dog-training-helping-or-hurting/2009/08/05/comment-page-1/#comment-253 Naja Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:52:16 +0000 http://blogs.dogster.com/ring-time-with-laurie-williams/?p=163#comment-253 I partially agree with you. Any great books, or great TV shows, don't fix problems. It is all up to the dog owner. If the dog owner really doesn't understand what he/she reads or see on TV, they never execute the methods correctly. It doesn't matter Victoria or Cesar, you can't pick just a small portion of the method. You must understand the whole idea/approach of training --- the common mistake people make is just mimicking the surface of it, and say "it didn't work" For example, Ethel seems completely missed the point what Cesar is trying to teach. If you really watch both "It's Me Or Dog" and "Dog Whisperer", you'll identify so many common messages from Victoria and Cesar, that you have to be the pack leader and you have to come up with the best unique solution according to the dog's personality --- no single method would work for all the dogs. And, I can't stress more, both of them always say, "Do not hurt your dog, but you must be the leader!!" For me, if you fail to train your dog, the failure is on you, not TV personality or famous dog trainer who wrote the training book or produced training DVDs. If you didn't get it, then get the help from local trainers. But, I have to tell you Cesar Millan actually takes cases that were given up by local trainers. If you save that many dogs lives, I would thank him. --- so please stop hating him based on rumors and misunderstandings. I partially agree with you. Any great books, or great TV shows, don’t fix problems. It is all up to the dog owner. If the dog owner really doesn’t understand what he/she reads or see on TV, they never execute the methods correctly. It doesn’t matter Victoria or Cesar, you can’t pick just a small portion of the method. You must understand the whole idea/approach of training — the common mistake people make is just mimicking the surface of it, and say “it didn’t work” For example, Ethel seems completely missed the point what Cesar is trying to teach. If you really watch both “It’s Me Or Dog” and “Dog Whisperer”, you’ll identify so many common messages from Victoria and Cesar, that you have to be the pack leader and you have to come up with the best unique solution according to the dog’s personality — no single method would work for all the dogs. And, I can’t stress more, both of them always say, “Do not hurt your dog, but you must be the leader!!” For me, if you fail to train your dog, the failure is on you, not TV personality or famous dog trainer who wrote the training book or produced training DVDs. If you didn’t get it, then get the help from local trainers. But, I have to tell you Cesar Millan actually takes cases that were given up by local trainers. If you save that many dogs lives, I would thank him. — so please stop hating him based on rumors and misunderstandings.

]]> By: Ethel http://blogs.dogster.com/ring-time-with-laurie-williams/tv-dog-training-helping-or-hurting/2009/08/05/comment-page-1/#comment-251 Ethel Sun, 18 Oct 2009 17:49:21 +0000 http://blogs.dogster.com/ring-time-with-laurie-williams/?p=163#comment-251 I fully agree with this article with one exception...I don't believe in paying for a dog trainer! Sorry. I've been around dogs all my life. My grandfather bred & trained dogs for various specialties. Too many see things on tv and swear by that. Leaving common sense out of the equation. For me, I really can't stand that woman on Animal Planet. Don't know her name, but all she does is throw food at the dogs. That's not training, that's teaching the dog that if you do this, you get that. WRONG. I do like Cesar, just b/c of the way he takes the lead, not giving them something other than love for doing what is expected. I'd like to see more shows on breeds and what they need to have a fulfilling life FOR A DOG. Too many get pets and try to make them into humans and that's why there's so many strays out here. It just does not work. I fully agree with this article with one exception…I don’t believe in paying for a dog trainer! Sorry. I’ve been around dogs all my life. My grandfather bred & trained dogs for various specialties.
Too many see things on tv and swear by that. Leaving common sense out of the equation.
For me, I really can’t stand that woman on Animal Planet. Don’t know her name, but all she does is throw food at the dogs. That’s not training, that’s teaching the dog that if you do this, you get that. WRONG.
I do like Cesar, just b/c of the way he takes the lead, not giving them something other than love for doing what is expected.
I’d like to see more shows on breeds and what they need to have a fulfilling life FOR A DOG. Too many get pets and try to make them into humans and that’s why there’s so many strays out here. It just does not work.

]]> By: Heather and Jesse http://blogs.dogster.com/ring-time-with-laurie-williams/tv-dog-training-helping-or-hurting/2009/08/05/comment-page-1/#comment-235 Heather and Jesse Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:32:42 +0000 http://blogs.dogster.com/ring-time-with-laurie-williams/?p=163#comment-235 I would have to say the only dog training show on tv that has any great information, is Victoria Stilwell's show "It's Me or the Dog". All of the others are stuck in the cycle of "domination, fear, and alpha" mentality. I have heard so many people declare their dog is dominant; from jumping, to even a dog begging! If only real, positive training was the advice people gave each other, rather than the "throw a choker on the dog", and "alpha roll" them. I have a 4 year old Jack Russell Terrier, and people are always asking me "How did you become his pack leader?" "Is he the alpha?", or "What did you do so that he didn't get little dog syndrome?" I tell them that he is my best friend, and that we work together as a team, and that there is no making him do something, or dominating going on. He makes the choice to do something or not. I would love to see a tv show with Laurie Williams as the trainer =o) I wish I lived closer to you, I would love to take some studio classes with Jesse. I would have to say the only dog training show on tv that has any great information, is Victoria Stilwell’s show “It’s Me or the Dog”. All of the others are stuck in the cycle of “domination, fear, and alpha” mentality. I have heard so many people declare their dog is dominant; from jumping, to even a dog begging! If only real, positive training was the advice people gave each other, rather than the “throw a choker on the dog”, and “alpha roll” them. I have a 4 year old Jack Russell Terrier, and people are always asking me “How did you become his pack leader?” “Is he the alpha?”, or “What did you do so that he didn’t get little dog syndrome?” I tell them that he is my best friend, and that we work together as a team, and that there is no making him do something, or dominating going on. He makes the choice to do something or not.

I would love to see a tv show with Laurie Williams as the trainer =o) I wish I lived closer to you, I would love to take some studio classes with Jesse.

]]> By: Auntchristine http://blogs.dogster.com/ring-time-with-laurie-williams/tv-dog-training-helping-or-hurting/2009/08/05/comment-page-1/#comment-225 Auntchristine Wed, 19 Aug 2009 20:38:34 +0000 http://blogs.dogster.com/ring-time-with-laurie-williams/?p=163#comment-225 I agree with you. And, as a dog nanny, there are times when I just want to pull my hair out (not going to do that) when a client shows me what they (think) they've learned. Have to count to ten, praise them for paying attention to their dogs and wanting to learn, and then, more often than not, help show them a kinder, gentler way to accomplish their goal, or, explain that treats aren't a bad motivation, or, a gentle physical correction isn't abuse when administered appropriately (appropriate to the size and temperment of the individual dog and the circumstances). Sometimes I can be found shouting out as I walk around NYC "please don't hang the dog." Or ignore someone who tells me I praise my dog too much. Everyone's an expert! I agree with you. And, as a dog nanny, there are times when I just want to pull my hair out (not going to do that) when a client shows me what they (think) they’ve learned. Have to count to ten, praise them for paying attention to their dogs and wanting to learn, and then, more often than not, help show them a kinder, gentler way to accomplish their goal, or, explain that treats aren’t a bad motivation, or, a gentle physical correction isn’t abuse when administered appropriately (appropriate to the size and temperment of the individual dog and the circumstances). Sometimes I can be found shouting out as I walk around NYC “please don’t hang the dog.” Or ignore someone who tells me I praise my dog too much. Everyone’s an expert!

]]> By: Amanda http://blogs.dogster.com/ring-time-with-laurie-williams/tv-dog-training-helping-or-hurting/2009/08/05/comment-page-1/#comment-222 Amanda Fri, 07 Aug 2009 21:17:20 +0000 http://blogs.dogster.com/ring-time-with-laurie-williams/?p=163#comment-222 I agree with you wholeheartedly! It would be nice to see a "real time" dog training venture on TV for a change instead of the edited "quick fix." I've been training my Jack Russell for almost a year now for competition obedience and I'm only ready to show in one of the lower classes (Rally Novice). It's certainly not feasible for an aggressive dog to go from biting a family member to becoming a well-mannered pet in one 15 minute segment! TV glorifies everything and I'm glad that you've posted a blog to shed some light on this issue. Thanks! I agree with you wholeheartedly! It would be nice to see a “real time” dog training venture on TV for a change instead of the edited “quick fix.” I’ve been training my Jack Russell for almost a year now for competition obedience and I’m only ready to show in one of the lower classes (Rally Novice). It’s certainly not feasible for an aggressive dog to go from biting a family member to becoming a well-mannered pet in one 15 minute segment! TV glorifies everything and I’m glad that you’ve posted a blog to shed some light on this issue. Thanks!

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